Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom

Author: Legal week

08 Jan 2007 | 13:55

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Overview

America's largest law firm, Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom came to prominence relatively late in the day. Thanks to its youth and cultural heritage, the firm would not be termed a White Shoe practice, a tag American firms tend to now dislike as it refers as much to establishment credentials as current legal prowess. The firm is, nevertheless, unquestionably a serious player in the US legal market, boasting top-tier practices across the key transactional disciplines. The firm has also acted on some of the most high-profile and controversial chapters in corporate American history of the last 25 years, though Skadden is generally more admired than liked, thanks to its reputation for arrogance.

Having put considerable resource into its London office for 10 years, Skadden has become a potent player in Europe's deal market. On a certain level of cross-border European transaction, arguably the firm's only US-based rival is Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton. Undoubtedly, Skadden is the one US practice that magic circle firms regard as a clear and present danger in their own backyard.

'Work hard, get paid lots' is the unsurprising mantra at the New York giant, as is reflected by early Wiki posts. The quality of work on offer in London is high - on a par with what you would get at the top City firms, at least in corporate. But you might have to do your own photocopying from time to time.

History

The firm's origins are well documented. The firm's first associate was Joseph Flom - regarded alongside Wachtell Lipton's Marty Lipton as the finest deal lawyer America has produced in a generation. The much-repeated legend is that the firm could not afford to pay Flom back when he joined in 1948, so gave him the pot of a pinochle game every Friday. Making partner in 1954, Flom was the driving force behind what would be come one of America's top M&A practices and also the template for the firm's hard-work culture. Those who want to know more about the firm's eventful early history should check out Lincoln Caplan's book Skadden: Power, Money and the Rise of a Legal Empire.

As a relative upstart in the New York legal market and not part of the old WASPish club of Manhattan firms, Skadden kept growing aggressively, really coming to prominence in the Wall Street takeover boom of the 1980s. It is one of a breed of firms that was especially active on hostile takeover bids and is now a regular fixture at the top of the M&A tables.

Recent years have seen the firm branch out beyond its New York heartlands to launch a series of offices across the US and a handful of foreign practices, of which London is the most significant. The firm's expansion also helped Skadden become America's first practice to pass the $1bn revenue barrier several years back. The sheer size of its domestic corporate practice feeds the firm plenty of work into European arms, though it has been reasonably successful over the last five years at moving into local law.

Culture

Viewed as a brusquely confident firm, Skadden once topped a poll of New York clients as the most arrogant law firm in America. Maturity has done little to soften its competitive edge or appetite for hard work. The London office, having been built up substantially through external recruitment, has a range of different personalities and styles, though the culture of the firm has been very much transposed to the UK. The old chestnut about US firms working their associates hard in return for those stellar salaries is one of the more enduring truisms in commercial law. Just ask this contributor at Skadden's London arm.

"The hours are shocking and although one gets paid more, in effect one is being paid the same as at a mid-tier firm," he argues. "The reason I say this is that it isn't like for like - you might be on £55k at a top City firm, but you're doing 1,700 hours or less for that. Here, you [might] work well in excess of 2,000 hours. Therefore I might earn £86k but I'm putting in [an extra] 500 hours for it. "

On the other hand, "the work is great" admits the contributor - although he adds that at time of writing he has been in the office non-stop for three days straight "with only a few hours kip in between". Time for more coffee by the sounds of it.

"I was at a top City firm before going to Skadden," recalls one ex-Skadden lawyer. "I wanted the [quality] work and the money - and got both. But, with the benefit of hindsight (as is always the case), Skadden was no different from what I'd had before, except much longer hours for a bit more cash. " Another former Skadden lawyer calls the London office a "dull and dry place that overcompensates with cash" - but that's law firms generally, right?

"You are expected to do most stuff yourself at Skadden," says another poster. "The odd bit of photocopying at senior associate level is not uncommon."

For an internal view of life at the firm, check out the (unofficial) Skadden Insider blog.

Key departments

In the US, the firm is viewed as a top-tier player across most of the key transactional disciplines, including M&A, competition and securities. The firm also has a solid banking practice and a number of substantial commercial teams. In London, however, the firm's practice is more narrowly focused around corporate, particularly cross-border mandates. Are there other strings to the US giant's collective bow? One contributor labels the firm's London office a "one-trick pony" while another questions the breadth of the firm's City practice.

"All firms know that to cut ice in London they have to multi-task," he warns. "I thought I'd love M&A when I started out all those years ago, but when you get used to [doing] the same thing over and over again, you want to branch out with your practice and you can't do that at Skadden."

A litigation partner at a top 10 City firm adds: "I've come across the firm a number of times and their litigation department is nothing to write home about. I'm certainly not worrying that clients will be jumping ship from my firm and running to Skadden. From what I've come across it seems to be the case that there are less lawyers on a case and they are no better than litigators at other firms I've come across."

He also queries whether the dominance of the firm's M&A team is healthy: "Sure, the M&A department is reported to be strong [and] if that works for the firm then great, but I'm not as impressed as I could be."

Similarly, one contributor complains that a diet of M&A left him struggling to find in-house opportunities as his skills base was too narrow.

A magic circle lawyer adds: "Sure, Skadden is massive in the US, but it's nothing special in the UK. Its London office doesn't come close to offering the all-round US firm experience for European clients as the likes of Shearman, Weil Gotshal and White & Case."

Despite its tight focus in London, the firm has expanded somewhat on the contentious side, including arbitration. Skadden also hit the headlines this year with a plan to set up a team focused on defending clients in Europe from class action litigation.

Leading partners

Michael Hatchard and (US-qualified) Scott Simpson are the big corporate cheeses in London, although former Ashurst and Shearman & Sterling man Adrian Knight is also well known in that part of the firm. Though not really a firm renowned for private equity, Skadden has won much of Doughty Hanson's UK work since recruiting Allan Murray-Jones from Lovells several years back. Unlike some US firms in London, Skadden has some senior UK tax capability, including partner Tim Sanders. Mark Darley is the best-known finance name in London.

National/international coverage

The firm has a wide array of offices across the US. Aside from London, foreign offices include respected branches in Paris and Moscow and lower-profile but growing practices in Frankfurt and Munich. Asian offices include Beijing, Hong Kong, Tokyo and Singapore. However, as a firm that runs lean foreign outposts, opportunities for overseas postings may be limited.

Key clients

Loads in New York. In London, it's more of a mixed bag and the firm is relatively underweight for a major US firm on the finance side. Doughty Hanson has been one of the more regular UK clients. They've also done major stuff for Skandia and investment house Three Delta. Other bid names include always-eager infra buyer Macquarie and also advising Nasdaq on its bid for the London Stock Exchange.

Career prospects

In April 2008 Skadden promoted 25 associates to partner, including five across its European network. Three of those promotions came in London, with associates given the nod in corporate, banking and litigation/arbitration.

Salaries

One Skadden associate contributor is on a very healthy £86,000 a year - arguably a decent price for "selling your life to the firm". Rates are around the top end of the City scale but you are certainly expected to put in the hard graft in return for your money.

(Could we get a few more details on salaries and bonus? - Wiki Ed.)

Recruitment

(Can we get some feedback on Skadden's interview and recruitment process? - Wiki Ed.)

Work-life balance

This is not a lifestyle firm. Even by the standards of US firms, Skadden has a reputation for putting a lot of store in the hours.

"Any lawyer thinking of joining [Skadden] must ask themselves how important their life is to them," says a one poster formerly of Skadden's City arm. "If they want to exist by practising law, then Skadden is wonderful. If they want a life, practising law to support that, then there are plenty of other law firms across the City that offer the work and the cash, but for less of your soul."

"If you go to Skadden you'll get caught up in the moment and you'll enjoy it for a short while," concurs one contributor, "but you'll get fed up of [feeling] overloaded, tired and just a bit pissed off."

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COMMENTS (TOTAL 11 COMMENTS)

Great for M&A, but probably market standard for most of its other work rom what I understand. I'm in-house now but from my experience when I worked at HS some of the firm's lawyers are an arrogant bunch. They think that because they do more hours than God sends in return for more money that their firm is glamorous. What is glamorous about spending time away from your family and friends? I've come across lawyers from the firm and seen them macho posturing e.g. "I completed on this enormous M&A deal and worked three days straight". Is that what life is about? How sad can some people get?This can be said for a lot of other firms as well I suppose. But people who go to the firm go for the money (even though they say otherwise) thinking they're on more money than everyone else in the City. WRONG. You do more hours, you get paid more.Skadden's partners aren't stupid you know - they're not that eager for their lawyers to eat into their profits.

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19 Mar 2007 | 19:26

The money they offer is absolutely eye-watering. For that money you have to expect to work hard. Does anyone really believe that they can get paid a 50% premium to a magic circle firm and work fewer hours? Grow up!

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20 Mar 2007 | 12:31

One of my mates works at a top-paying firm as an associate in corporate. He's on over £100k. We don't see him that often at all, he's rarely at home, he's constantly shattered and he's sick to death of it. I'm at Freshfields. Even I work a LOT less hours than he does, even though I'm corporate. I get paid roughly £30k less than he does. I have a decent work/life balance, out for drinks at the weekend with my mates and family, home a couple of nights in the week by 8.30pm, I have most of my weekends and I generally feel much better about my job than he does. The question is therefore whether the money is worth it. I just don't think so. But some people are willing to sacrifice anything - life and mates outside work - to line their pockets. If that's you, then this place could work for you.

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01 May 2007 | 15:25

US firms like Skadden are not a charity. They don't give big salaries because they're a nice bunch of Yanks. he New York work ethos is mirrored over here - you get paid more, but damn you'll work for it. People seem to forget that a lot of US firms in London are dictated deal-wise by their head offices, i.e. New York. You start at 9am (or earlier... ha!) then at 3pm the New York office is starting up - so in effect you end up doing 6 hours on UK time, then a proper day's work starting from 3pm. And guess what... THERE'S your reason for more cash.

Posted by:

02 May 2007 | 18:52

Sounds right actually. US dollar = work like a ho.

Posted by:

03 May 2007 | 12:34

The people who have commented above appear to know nothing about the current London US firm market. Skadden is an anomaly. There are plenty of US firms in London (including more prestigious firms doing bigger and better deals) where the hours are the same as magic circle firms, but the pay is at the top end of New York rates.

Posted by: Associate, London Office, White Shoe Firm

18 May 2007 | 16:39

Agreed. Skadden is highly thought of in the States, but it's nothing too big in the UK. Cravath and Wachtell. Now there's a thought!In terms of US firms and magic circle firms, what is with the need to boast about hours and pay? People at the magic circle get done in because they are doing enormous hours with top London pay. Ppl at US firms are doing enormous hours as well, but just being paid for it. I agree with the poster above - Skadden is no charity and neither is any US law firm for that matter. Which brings me back to the point - either people are far too shallow, far too greedy, far too stupid or a combination of the above if they join a US firm. I used to work in the New York office of top 5 US firm and it's even worse over there than it is here. I came back to my firm's London office after secondment to NY for 2 yrs and I just couldn't put up with it anymore. I was raking in the cash but my life was really boring and stressful. I had no time for family, no time for friends (outside of work). I thought it was sad. I'm currently in-house and hating law these days to be honest. But all of the comments above seem fair I would say.

Posted by: In-house counsel, FTSE 100

18 May 2007 | 18:19

Salaries are big. Hours are longer than you could possibly imagine. Now, let me just dig Einstein out of his grave and bring him back to life because I just can't work out whether you get paid more for doing less.I used to work here a while ago - London office. Many of the people back then thought far too much of themselves - one of them needed bringing back down to Earth because a client got terribly pissed off with the arrogance at one time, which was quite embarrassing.The hours are rotten - it's not glamorous so if you think it is I'm afraid you've been misinformed (that's a comment for a lot of US firms actually, not just Skadden).I did a fair bit of international travel, but you're expected to do this on top of your normal workload for the most part. Your life becomes work-dominated and my work was too specialised, just M&A, so that when I wanted to come in-house, I had difficulty because my knowledge base was too narrow.Don't get me wrong, if you go to Skadden you'll get caught up in the moment and you'll enjoy it for a short while. But a little while down the line (say 6months to a year) you'll get fed up of that smothered feeling of being overloaded, tired and just a bit pissed off with the whole thing. But, that's the way it goes amigos.

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22 May 2007 | 14:25

Lawyers have to take too much on and in my experience a lot of them seemed quite stressed. But that's why the firm pays more, right?

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25 May 2007 | 12:06

A couple of guys I know at the firm are jumpy little upstarts. They come from nowhere (like me) yet are so pretentious and arrogant - it's unbelievable, and pretty stupid. They are 5yrs PQ now and practically live at the firm. The only conversation they have in them is their clients, their day, how tired they are or work generally. It's funny really because I'm earning a lot more cash than they are as a senior in-house lawyer at a top 5 investment bank (though they still think they're outdoing me on the cash front, ha), generally less stressed, and able to have an active personal social life. We no longer use the firm, though I never worked with them so couldn't say whether that was a loss or not. Sadly... the people there are quite introvert.

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12 Jun 2007 | 15:31

I work harder than my equivalent at City/magic circle firms. Much harder on average. The firm rewards that with excellent pay. It's not a particularly collegiate firm and I wouldn't recommend it for a nice life, but if you need cash and you're willing to work hard for it then you'll be fine. It's a stressful situation I'm in, since I'm hoping to leave this year for a job in another City firm. It's exactly the same quality work (as I've worked with this firm on deals before) but obviously less pay. But the hours I'll be doing should be significantly less so I guess it is pro rata.

Posted by: associate @ skadden

04 Jan 2008 | 00:34

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