Author: Charon QC
08 Jun 2011 | 13:45 | 8 comments
Frothing at the mouth from bloggers, pundits and others - whether they know what they are talking about or not - is always amusing, because it tends to lead to polemic at best, ranting at worst.
1. On its website, dated June 2011, The New College of Humanities (coined 'New Chums' by Timothy Pitt-Payne QC) announced its intention to give birth to: "a new concept in university-level education. It offers education in excellence and an outstanding academic environment in the heart of London. The College was founded by 14 of the world's top academics."
2. 'New Chums' will be financed by a £10m investment. From City AM - New private university in £10m placing:
(i) "SOME of Britain's most celebrated academics have secured almost £10m in a private placement to launch a for-profit university that will charge £18,000 a year in tuition fees."
(ii) "Cavendish Corporate Finance ran the private placing, which attracted investments from individuals and family funds. There are around 30 investors in the venture, including AC Grayling (pictured) and most of the academics. The biggest investor is a family trust, which has a 35% stake."
3. 'New Chums' offers - quoted from their website:
• Preparation for a University of London degree, plus the Diploma of New College
• A staff-student ratio better than 1:10
• Personal attention and one-to-one tutorials
• Richer course content and increased student-staff interaction
• Academic depth combined with practical career skills
Your choice of subjects includes Economics, Law, History, Literature and Philosophy. New College offers the highest-quality education, open to all through scholarships and bursaries."
These are the basic facts. Here are a few more ‘facts':
[a] The University of London has been providing external degrees - making education accessible to a very wide constituency and demographic - since 1858. I have been involved in legal education since 1979. For 12 years I had the pleasure of teaching many thousands of students from all walks of life and from 15 countries worldwide; teaching towards the University of London LLB degree under the auspices of The External Programme. Our students, in fact, took many of the top London University places and prizes during this period. The courses were run by Holborn Law Tutors (Now Holborn College), a private company. We did make a profit - but the fees were not extravagant by today's standards.
[b] 'New Chums' will be providing tuition for the very well-regarded London University degrees. The high fees are a different issue - but there can be no doubting the quality of the degree which the students will receive if they satisfy the demanding examiners. I express a personal view, from my own experience, that there is only one category of London University degree. There is, I am still advised, no such thing as an ‘external' degree at London. The fact that students study online, remotely, or at a private college does not alter the fact that they are awarded a London University degree. I would also add, that in my opinion, London University degrees are hard and do not appear to have been affected by the ‘degree inflation' endemic in other parts of our legal education system. It is difficult to get a First or Upper Second on a London University degree by study outside the traditional University of London Colleges - and, I suspect, within the London colleges, also.
The pundits roar...
First up... David Allen Green, blogging at his excellent Jack of Kent blog - AC Grayling's Folly.
"Professor AC Grayling, a philosopher, has founded a College to teach the humanities to 'gifted' undergraduates. The college will be situated in Bloomsbury, just by the British Museum. It has already selected a 'Professoriate' who will supposedly give over 100 lectures a year, notwithstanding almost all of them are academics at foreign universities.
"In my view, almost everything about this College is an affront to the critical thinking and evidence-based approach that such an establishment should promote. It is, in short, a sham."
I don't agree with David Allen Green (DAG) and dissect his propositions, seriatim:
1. First, it is not even a College in any meaningful sense.
DAG suggests that by teaching to a London University degree that 'New Chums' is not a college. This proposition is easy to deflect. 'New Chums' will be run on college lines, as many other universities and colleges are, public or private. This is clear from the website. We have several private universities/colleges in the UK: Buckingham University and BPP University College, to name but two in the field of law. Both are extremely successful and well regarded by many. DAG goes on to support his proposition that the college is not a college by virtue of the students paying £18,000 at 'New Chums' when they could get the same degree for much less (£1,000-£2,000). I fail to see how this logic makes 'New Chums' any less of a college than others. The teaching fee is, I admit, pacy. I will address this issue below.
2. Who will these 'gifted' students be taught by?
DAG notes that students may well not get much ‘face time' from the ‘professoriate' and puts the boot in with a subtle, undermining, side comment: "In law, the two listed professors are not even authorities in any of the seven core LLB courses."
Given the fairly substantial funding (I return to this later) and the reputation of the 'founders', I have no doubt at all that 'New Chums' will be able to attract first-class teachers on a part-time or full-time basis from some of our top universities. I had no difficulty at all attracting first-rate academics and practitioners in 25 years of running the academic side at Holborn and then, in the 1990s, at BPP Law School. In fact, 35-plus current members of the Bar who are now practising silks (QCs) taught at Holborn and/or BPP when they were younger. I also enjoyed the pleasure of working with some superb academic lawyers from leading universities who taught part-time at my colleges. Professor Ewan McKendrick - a major player in the field of contract law, now of Oxford, to name but one. I would argue that the second proposition, therefore, may be dispensed with. 'New Chums' will be able to attract good teaching staff.
I have never taken the view that the presence of ‘stellar professors' is essential to the success of a law (or other degree) school if the teaching staff know what they are doing and have the right skills and qualifications (and enthusiasm). I suspect that the ‘stellar professors' will make a good contribution but are unlikely to be right at the heart of day-to-day teaching and liaison with their students.
3. And what does it mean to be 'gifted'?
DAG puts the proposition that being ‘gifted' may merely involve the ability to pay the substantial fees. I suspect that 'New Chums' will exercise fairly stringent admissions criteria to ensure the quality of cohort. I would be surprised if they take all who can simply pay. That would not make ‘business sense' given their philosophical foundation for the ‘model'. This latter, does not connote support for their philosophy.
DAG then puts the point: "Almost all the contentions made on the College's website are misconceived, or do not seem to be substantiated."
My response to this is that they may be ‘misconceived' in his worldview, a view which he is entitled to hold and put forward, but they are all capable of being substantiated. I can't find much to quarrel with on the 'New Chums' website in terms of what they promise and can deliver. It seems to be fairly well laid-out and clear. DAG is correct when he asserts that the students will have to come from a privileged background. The fees of £18,000 per annum are high.
Let me put this proposition: A bright student, from a privileged background, can't get into Oxbridge or another top Russell Group university. Given the difficulties faced by students from less highly regarded universities in getting a training contract or pupillage, they may well be attracted by getting a first class legal education from 'New Chums' and getting a highly regarded London university degree - even if they have to pay through the nose to get it - at no cost to the taxpayer. If they can afford it - and that is a different moralo-ethical issue - why would they go to a less well-regarded university where the degree won't have the currency or regard with employers or Chambers as a University of London degree?
I don't, for the reasons above, agree that this is AC Grayling's folly. I would prefer to see a new college giving very high quality tuition to a wider constituency at a lower price - but I have no real difficulty in saying that this is a venture which is likely to succeed - at no cost to the taxpayer - but one which will raise many hackles from those, including myself, who prefer education to be provided by the state. Unfortunately, the state can no longer afford to provide cheap education but that fact should not, of itself, prevent private investors coming into the market.
Professor Grayling, his ‘professoriate' and their investors may make a complete hash of it. They may not. I suspect that £10m will not be enough. The burn rate will be ‘stellar'. Finally, I doubt, given my own experience in legal education over thirty years, that a law school can be profitable on anything under 250-300 students at £18,000. I understand that the plan is for the cohort to be rather lower in numbers. This may not be a wise decision given the very real economics of running law schools. We shall soon see. I suspect the financial and legal press will be watching closely.
Other punditry...
AC Grayling's private university accused of copying syllabuses - This was amusing to read. The point has been missed. 'New Chums' are not plagiarising. They are merely publishing the University of London syllabuses they are teaching to. Other colleges which teach to University of London degrees do exactly the same.
Give AC Grayling's new college a chance: "Critics want to tar and feather the New College for the Humanities' academics, but this experiment may work" - Sarah Churchwell's article in The Guardian is worth a look.
We will be discussing this issue on the Without Prejudice podcast this week. I suspect that it will be a spirited discussion. The moral issue of private education, the high fees, the perceived elitism of 'New Chums' is, of course, a very different matter to the raw fact of existence and execution of the project.
David Allen Green asserted: "In my view, almost everything about this College is an affront to the critical thinking and evidence-based approach that such an establishment should promote. "
As we don't have any ‘evidence-based' detail upon which, as yet, to assess the approach 'New Chums' will take in terms of its teaching and encouragement of students to take responsibility for their own learning, or access to any teaching materials, I find it difficult to support this proposition and, therefore, for the present, dismiss it as credible criticism. I am unsure, from the text of David Allen Green's blog post what he means by ‘evidence-based' approach in this context, so I cannot comment on the latter.
I don't think the case has been proved that this is AC Grayling's folly - yet. I am open to persuasion and argument as always. I have never developed a taste for coming down mountains with tablets of stone. I am looking forward to developing this topic in discussion with David Allen Green on the morrow in our fortnightly Without Prejudice podcast. It should be fun - as indeed, should all debate.
COMMENTS (TOTAL 8 COMMENTS)
An initial response...
1. First, it is not even a College in any meaningful sense.
Well, it is not a college of the University of London. They have distanced themselves from the enterprise. Nor does it award its own degrees. And nor does it devise its own syllabuses. And nor does it have its own campus or facilities, which will be rented (at a commercial rate) from the University of London.
Is there an entity which, given all this, can really still call itself a College? I grant you that it calls itself one and that it will charge students for courses and pay teachers. But so can a tutorial agency.
2. Who will these “gifted” students be taught by?
Not by the advertised and trumpeted “professoriate” in any meaningful way.
3. And what does it mean to be “gifted”?
£18,000 per annum for three years for the vast majority of students. There is simply no sensible definition of “gifted” which applies in this situation.
David Allen Green -08 Jun 2011 | 15:01
Response to David Allen Green
David
1. The University of London gave birth to many traditional universities. Many of the red bricks, now with wholly independent status, started off life as 'Colleges' of the university of London - doing University of London degrees. They did not have their own degrees.
2. I suspect that many Colleges in this country do not own their own facilities. They rent them at commercial rates.
3. The University of London have always maintained a policy of 'distance' from colleges teaching to their examinations - although I understand it is now possible to gain some form of 'recognition' once a track record is established. I will check this latter)
4. The concept of a College is more of a state of mind, an attitude, than one of bricks and mortar. Would you say that an online programme run by a traditional university was any less one provided by that university, simply for lack of bricks and mortar?
I seem to recall that the Open University runs excellent distance learning programmes. In fact, I am doing a podcast with Gary Slapper of the OU on Friday. I shall put your points to him. I rather suspect that the OU rents accommodation around the country when they hold face to face tutorials. I can't imagine that it would be good economics for them to have so much freehold or leasehold property - much of the time empty it transpires that I am wrong on this point and they do, indeed, own their own property all over the country.
5. As to the professoriate: It is unusual for senior professors in universities to have the teaching load of other members of the academic faculty. It is quite common for traditional universities to have 'visiting professors'. I addressed this issue in the main body of my blog post and do not really need to add to the point more than I have done so?
6. Oxbridge and top Russell group universities would charge significantly more than £9,000 p.a. if permitted to do so. Indeed, for overseas students, the fees charged are far higher. I cannot see Oxbridge et al dispensing with their entrance criteria simply because the fees are high? I suspect that sufficient 'gifted' students - in the sense of having high entrance qualifications - to meet "New Chums" entrance standards.
Charon QC -08 Jun 2011 | 17:06
Dead before it starts
If I wanted to spend £18,000 and could not make Oxbridge I would go to one of the Ivy League Universities. I believe that Christians will not wish to be involved with this experiment which appears to be run by humanists and atheists. There are plenty of alternatives and I believe that Prof Grayling is totally misguided about the numbers of students who would wish to attend. Also many would be put off by his ridiculous hairstyle. Get a hair-cut sir, for starters. Anyone with that sort of money with brains would avoid.
signed by an MA(Cantab)
John Alexander -08 Jun 2011 | 19:35
between two stools
I think there would be general interest in a London 'Ivy' hiring more US academics and with some real international superstars onboard. People would pay more than 18k.
Credit for the entrepreneurialism. I just fear the investment is too small.
Matt -09 Jun 2011 | 09:42
Not the same as a UoL college
@Charon QC
A college providing tuition for students undertaking the University of London 'external' programme (such as Holborn College, and now New Chums) is not in any way comparable to a college that is actually part of the UoL.
You correctly state that many now independent universities started off as UoL colleges without independent degree awarding powers, but that is only a quirk of the University of London system - those 'colleges' were an integral part of the University and have almost complete academic freedom - they decide on content, set exams, carry out research, but are units of a bigger institution, the UoL.
On the other hand, the Holborn and Kensington colleges have nothing to do with the University of London (as, presumably, will be the case for New Chums). At most they are acknowledged by the University to offer private tuition, to those of the student body who are interested / don't want to study the External programme on their own.
Karin -09 Jun 2011 | 10:07
I - me - mike
Do you get paid by the number of times you use the personal pronoun? "I did this and I did that"... "I was this and I was that?" Ego dim sum...
Arthur Bell -10 Jun 2011 | 00:57
Gifted or gifting?
"Let me put this proposition: A bright student, from a privileged background, can't get into Oxbridge or another top Russell Group university. Given the difficulties faced by students from less highly regarded universities in getting a training contract or pupillage, they may well be attracted by getting a first class legal education from 'New Chums' and getting a highly regarded London university degree - even if they have to pay through the nose to get it - at no cost to the taxpayer. "
That's the point, isn't it? It’s yet another way in which those who are born to privilege can buy their way to an advantage denied to those of us who have to rely on our own graft and not the genetic lottery. Firm A is looking at two students for a training contract. Student B came from a comp and bootstrapped themselves to a 2:1 at ULU. Student C gets the same – but Daddy bought him a New Chums certificate and can boast of having rubbed shoulders with QCs. Who’s the better candidate? Yet which one is more likely to get the contract?
Scep Tick -10 Jun 2011 | 09:10
London degrees
I express a personal view, from my own experience, that there is only one category of London University degree. There is, I am still advised, no such thing as an ‘external' degree at London. The fact that students study online, remotely, or at a private college does not alter the fact that they are awarded a London University degree.
There is, now, no degree called "external". The London External degree's been rebranded as London International. It's the same thing, though.
clemmati -10 Jun 2011 | 15:22
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